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Poster: banditos33 Date: Dec 17, 2010 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: GD's subjective masterpiece

Just out of curosity.What does fellow forumites consider the Deads masterpiece song? Not necessarily your favorite song but the one that sums up who they are. The more I try to put my finger on it another pops up.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Dec 17, 2010 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

I think you put your finger on it. They evolved so much over the first 10 years and had so many style changes, that it's hard to pin down. Truckin', PITB, TOO, Eyes?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Dec 17, 2010 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

Darkstar and what he said...
"For me it is not a song. The best moments are when structure melts away and the real playing takes over"

A well played Dew aint bad either

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Poster: face of space Date: Dec 18, 2010 10:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

Dark Star and the Eleven are great but they left them off for so long. Live Dead really etched them in (also StSteve). Too bad too, esp because Drums/Space as D/S replacement became formulaic itself.

For me that leaves Playin and The Other One, both played throughout the career, and TOO has the edge for me, even the later Playin sandwiches recalled prior efforts sometimes. Great examples of flexibility:

8-21-68
9-28-72
12-26-79

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Poster: dizbuster Date: Dec 18, 2010 10:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

How about Brokedown or Attics. Songs that reach in and grab your heartstrings with complex emotion. They may not "define" the dead but are masterpieces in my opinion.

Peace.............

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 19, 2010 5:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

Yeah, just think--we could use AmBea for ~ 5 of them, ya know? CLASSIC.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 17, 2010 10:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

Day Job. (cue WT discourse on subjective)

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Dec 17, 2010 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

Tough deal on Kyrie Irving.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 17, 2010 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

Well, at least he doesn't have to live up to the hype of preseason 1st team all american.

By the way, truly glad to see you guys beat UK. I figure Carolina will be in good shape come Tourney time. I love to hate the heels, but as a native north carolinian, when they go outside tobacco road, I support 'em (albeit in muted and dark blue ways)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 17, 2010 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

I think StSt nails it on all counts.

If you add WTbridge/Eleven, well then you just don't have any question about it, do ya?

Seriously, StSt. Honorable mention to UJB, BoRain, and PITB, sans Donna squeals, to put Bob in the mix.

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Dec 17, 2010 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

The Days Between

(probably gonna take abeating for that one)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Dec 17, 2010 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

There have been few beatings of late GD love for months . Maybe sometime this past summer ? If you like it dogs then who cares ? What's your fav ?
The rec that rob gave me for 4/17/99 was in a thread I began titled 'I dislike DB !' ! You never can tell .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 18, 2010 6:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece (Not one right answer yet! Shocking!!!)

All these replies and no one said the obvious, which is clearly TOO. Ideally a CE>TOO>CE. People, people! The question was "sums up who they are," not Most Beautiful or Most Jazzy or Most Musically Sophisticated.

TOO has it all: historical context, melt-your-face moments, can be ecstatic or dangerous or just about everything in between, openly but not dumbly psychedelic, open to wild jams, has lyrics that everyone actually DOES use to sum up the ride ...

Consequently, that's the clear choice. Though St. Stephen is a contender. And, of course, "any time the structure melts away" is a great loophole answer for any lawyers or politicians on board :-)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 18, 2010 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece (Not one right answer yet! Shocking!!!)

I think that if you take the "suite", then absolutely, it's right there with my 6-14-68 StSt. But then, I can take StSt--Bridge--Eleven, and I think that finishes the discussion...but I'd still give you second place.

If we move to "lyrical storyline for the boys" then I like the other choices too, such as UJB, Ripple, even Truckin.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 18, 2010 10:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece (Not one right answer yet! Shocking!!!)

Ah, but what if we make it CE-TOO-CE-New Potato?

Ripple definitely wins for Most Profound, but it's not "summing up." (Also, unless I'm wrong, which of course is entirely likely, it was mostly done acoustic, wasn't it? Acoustic Dead is great but not typical, hence, can'e be a "summing up.")

Truckin and UJB for lyrical storyline -- yes, definitely, but they miss the psychedelic factor. So Top Five, but not quite the winner.

That leaves StSt vs TOO. A tough one indeed. Assuming it's suite vs suite, and not standalone vs standalone, why not just go the whole hog, from one to the other? 10/12/68 might be the perfect compromise except for Death. (Nothing against it -- the song, that is -- just not in the running in this particular category.) Or 12/29/68, though it lacks the CE intro. And both have the benefit of starting with a DS.

Although, btw, for StSt to be at the top, it needs to be heard with the right words: "Hair so long he's got to callin it home" :-)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 18, 2010 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece (Not one right answer yet! Shocking!!!)

I'll see your NPC with a tasty DDHNM post Eleven (I know, I know--LL could be there, but like you said, 10-12 lets us both "win", eh?). And, since someone else picked DDHNM, stand alone (surprised me, but okay), I may just be in the lead if we go back to duking it out...just don't get me going or I might explode in a flury of hate speech directed at anyone selecting a post 70 written tune (well, except that of course I already mentioned PITB, but we haters are anything but consistent, or then we'd turn into one of Rob's hobgoblins, right?).

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 18, 2010 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece (Not one right answer yet! Shocking!!!)

It's Wharf Rat, damn it!

Robthehobgoblin.

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Poster: mickmac Date: Dec 17, 2010 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

I always thought The Eleven had it for me. Pshchedelic lyrics. Frantic rock jamming. Jazz riffs and unsyncopated rythmns. One of the songs that truly is made for dual drumming. And when they segue into Death Dont Have No Mercy...that says it all.

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Poster: pdm59 Date: Dec 17, 2010 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

For me it is not a song. The best moments are when structure melts away and the real playing takes over.

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Poster: vapors Date: Dec 17, 2010 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

I really like how you put that, and I relate well to the truth in it.
But one song does keeps coming to mind – Dark Star!

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Dec 17, 2010 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

Hi vapors, i heartily agree with you on both counts. pdm59 has it right, those moments were always so full of anticipation, excitement, beauty and surprise - the water in the well, the essence - and sometimes you got lucky and got an electric sunset and a quiet moonrise in the same night.

And without a doubt, for me it's Dark Star . . . always an adventure through the years.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Dec 17, 2010 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

Second that... Dark Star has it all... lyrical beauty, incredible jamming, music that opens up to heaven and hell. It demonstrates their versatility and ability, the way the band can listen to each other and play off the audience. It's limitless and timeless.

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Poster: jerrys beard Date: Dec 19, 2010 3:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

Fits the descriptor because they are not my favorite songs, but to sum up the Dead it would be the "autobiographical" PITB or Truckin'.

I will probably go with PITB because it is much more frequently jammed out...and jammed out from the nice to the bizarre. Has some interesting, if limited lyrics, that could define the band's philosophy related to music and life.

If we're going favorites, as I mentioned a few weeks ago it is the CE>TOO>CE sandwich #1, w/DS #2.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Dec 17, 2010 11:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

Weather Report Suite, for the following reasons:

1. Musical complexity that still feels "organic."
2. Lyrical beauty (seriously, it makes a good poem and gets my vote for best lyrics in the canon).
3. Openness to jamming.
4. Movement from softer melodic movement to raging multi-headed monster over the course of the suite.

Others I considered: Terrapin Station (a little too structured, imo), That's It For The Other One (bonus points for autobiographical allusions, though it doesn't have the cohesiveness I love in WRS), and Jack Straw (they cover a lot of musical ground in a compact song with this one).

Ultimately, I've always loved WRS, and find it to be the greatest manifestation of the wide range of the Dead's talents, though not necessarily the best exemplification of any of them.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Dec 18, 2010 5:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

I think there's a strong case to be made for Weather Report Suite. It is insanely beautiful.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 17, 2010 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

In my mind at least, there is no question that Hunter and Garcia's masterpiece is Wharf Rat. I can't think of any other song in the GD repertoire where the words and music work together to create the dramatic tension that exists in this piece. As the song progresses the music by turn underlines and contradicts what the words are saying, creating nuances and depth in the story that the words alone can't communicate. To me, it's their crowning achievement.

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Poster: imissJG Date: Dec 18, 2010 6:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

It figures that the crowd in here chooses song like "StS,11...or new potatoe.....Personally,i agree with dogsinapile..."Days"summed it up....but"Dark Star"defines the GD to a tee....and"So Many Roads"wraps Jerry`s lifeline up in a basket....it for me,is my choice...."all i want is one,to take me home!"

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Poster: user unknown Date: Dec 17, 2010 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

Ripple...UJB....StStephen

oh hell I can't decide on just one

hey, if you subscribe to Jerry being the leader(which is a concept he denied)and Jerry only penned one tune solo wouldn't CPW have to be considered?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Dec 18, 2010 5:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

And a strong case for UJB.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Dec 17, 2010 4:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD's subjective masterpiece

Stella Blue. A few Dead songs had interested me, but that one grabbed me the first time I heard it, like no song I had ever heard before, and it has never let go.